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Revaluation narrative - Episode 175

Amphius

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I wish Andy would be more consistent with his revaluation narrative. He is now saying that $3000 will be the staging post for a physically driven rally. This is not what he has previously been saying, for many years, when talking about an overnight or over-weekend CB revaluation triggered at $2500, and then moving it to $3000. He will have doubtless been under pressure from TAs to drop his revaluation narrative, because an overnight revaluation narrative is bad for their subscription businesses, and I note that Kinesis has negotiated marketing deals with several TAs, so I am certain this is the correct explanation. I myself will be sticking with Andy's previous 'conviction', because I think he still secretly has it, despite the (artificial) commercial pressure to change it.
 
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You are speculating here.
Are these 'paper market TA's' - i presume you mean technical analysts - Northstarbad Charts?
Is this who you mean? Any others you are talking about. Are we including say Dave Kranzler?
Who else do you include in the partnerships? Remembering this would imply a legal contract which includes 'gagging clauses'.
Northstar and BadCharts have both recently added the Kinesis logo to their charts. For Andrew to now drop the CB revaluation narrative to keep his new TA partners happy is a stab in the back to all his loyal followers and defenders over the years. And 'keeping happy' can be an informal arrangement. Andrew self corrected in this episode before he let the R word slip out, when he remembered he couldn't say it any longer.
 
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Northstar and BadCharts have both recently added the Kinesis logo to their charts. For Andrew to now drop the CB revaluation narrative to keep his new TA partners happy is a stab in the back to all his loyal followers and defenders over the years. And 'keeping happy' can be an informal arrangement. Andrew self corrected in this episode before he let the R word slip out, when he remembered he couldn't say it any longer.
Northstar and BadCharts have been associated with Kinesis for over a year - i don't remember exactly how long but it is longer than what i would call 'recently'. But anyway; do you really believe Maguire has altered his tune to keep Kevin and Pat happy? Northstar does a lot more than gold and silver chart TA - a lot more than that - i am subbed to them so i have first hand knowledge of that.

No disrespect to these guys but they are like minnow alongside a whale when it comes to Kinesis. Maguire's narrative will not be driven by orders from Tom Coughlin to keep Pat and Kevin happy. I would look to a change in the landscape, a change in economics, politics, information available, a change in what BRICS is doing, some 'inside' information he hasn't publicly mentioned, a change in a whole host of things that AM sees are influencing the gold price.

The take home message is 'Have you got gold?' - get positioned - reduce fiat exposure - it is the same old same old message whether gold reprices over a bank holiday or by a series of stairsteps - it is all the same - AM is giving the same advice and if you get yourself gold it really doesn't matter, you are ready for it.
 
Northstar and BadCharts have been associated with Kinesis for over a year
I was just typing this:) I joined them January 2023 on a promotion they run on social Media from time to time and pay less than the Kinesis offer per month. I agree w Sixgun; don't think it's connected to what Andy is saying in any way.
 
Gold is being revalued in a stairstep manner, "revaluation" effectively has already started, the oil for gold will be priced wherever they're stepping it to in my opinion. The mechanism for revaluation IS the buying pressure from India, China, Russia and more. The marked beginning of revaluation was when the paper markets no longer controlled the price of the deliverable market as seen by the whacky premiums on physically deliverable metal.

Andrew Maguire doesnt control the world, he is mortal like you and I. Its not hard to see how rugpull revaluation could be employed to destroy the west. Maybe it will come to that, maybe everybodys just hopeful it wont have to. I dont see how Andrews integrity is on the line here, and Id like to see something better than at best circumstantial evidence for such a serious claim, and it is a serious claim.
 
Yes, written evidence? A written apology is due, both here and on X. Alternatively, below are a few other targets to impugn, but good luck getting any contact from them *when* their estimates change due to changing circumstances.

I suppose we've all taken the odd bowl of bad mushrooms. It happens:
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Changes, revisions and all upward, like AM (great initials by the way). How very dare they?

 

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Yes, written evidence? A written apology is due, both here and on X. Alternatively, below are a few other targets to impugn, but good luck getting any contact from them *when* their estimates change due to changing circumstances.

I suppose we've all taken the odd bowl of bad mushrooms. It happens:
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It's nothing at all about prices - they are the obsession of neanderthal types. This issue is about whether it will be a drawn out market rally or an over-weekend/overnight revaluation. For many years, Andrew had an unshakable conviction that it would be an instant event, and convinced his viewers to believe him. But his conviction evaporated in this episode, without the courtesy of any explanation.
 
Why are you mad at Andrew because BRICS isnt causing international destitution? Seems like a weird thing to spend a Saturday on.

Still hoping to see something substantial regarding the foul play youre blasting around about. Ping me when you post it please.
You're spending Saturday discussing it too! My issue is that Andrew is being neither courteous nor considerate to his longtime viewers when he fails to explain the reasoning behind his story changes.
 
Do you have proof of your public assertions regarding Andrew's integrity or not? You made a specific assertion, where is the proof? Show me the receipts for the assertion you made.
Listen to what he says in this week's episode. He contradicts what he has repeatedly stated previously, without giving any explanation for the contradiction.
 
You cant weasel your way out of providing receipts for your assertion that he's sold out for his partners, the basis of your clickbait.

Asking for clarification is one thing, but you didnt do that, did you?
What on earth are you talking about? A receipt is a slip of paper one receives when one buys something.
 
Andy has always jumped around on the price of metals measured in USD because nobody knows and it depends on many external factors. Some days it looks like theyll value 1 barrel of oil at 20g and some days it looks like its 1-4g. The not so fine print at the end of the show gives him leeway to speculate as the situation develops and no matter what he says, he doesnt set the price.

Do you have information that indicates that his previous price assessments are more accurate than his current ones? That would help support your argument that he's throwing away a hard earned multi decade reputation of integrity for a payout he doesnt look like he needs.

To me, he looks like a guy whos eating and sleeping right. It looks like hes getting his exercise on point. It looks like he's getting ready and is fully capable of presenting his lifes work to the world.
Andrew Maguire has spent, at least, the last 6 years saying that gold was about to explode in price.
 
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C'mon guys, there's a rule about being polite. Anymore and you'll get Uchiki's attention and the rule will be posted!
 
Indeed.
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There may be an interesting question here, but it is clouded by an unsubstantiated accusation.
 
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It's clear that some follow the minutiae here much more closely than I do.
This is the phrasing referred to at the ~2 min mark in Ep 175.

... we'll look at why it's inevitable the gold price will I mean have to exceed a minimum consensus equilibrium price of $3,000 which will have to be the next staging point for the next leg of a very large physically driven rally.

As I understand it, Andy calls it as he sees it based on his contacts in the physical markets.
The word consensus in the above quote suggests to me an aggregation of opinion among the physical liquidity providers that Andy frequently mentions.

I had a look at a previous episode at random.

LFTV - 155 (12th Jan 2024)
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... this is going to be the story of 2024 and let's kind of look why every Global South Central Bank ... as well as European and Asian Central Banks are positioning to revalue gold.
We'll look closer at the process as the weeks play out, but one thing is clear as it was at the commencement of 2023 ...
In spite of official gold market interventions against the dollar, gold would have to be revalued literally hundreds of dollars higher and now it's inevitable that by the fourth quarter of 2024, spot gold will be over $2500 and most of the same liquidity providers that predicted over $2000 by end of 2023 are now gravitating closer to $3000 per ounce.
In fact, one of my most respected liquidity providers very closely associated to the Russian Chinese markets sees the Russian driven BRICS chairmanship driving Glaziev's gold backed commodity currency forward and given that and people are not expecting this, it's been poo pooed by a lot of people, but this currency as it gets brought forward, they're estimating that $3000 is the bottom of the range assessment.
It's not that the dollar gold price is rising at all, it's actually that the purchasing power of the bankrupt, debt laden dollar and all the related fiat currencies is en route to slipping to zero against gold.



Later in the episode, he mentions the likely evolution of the gold for oil trade, but also that no-one wants or expects the dollar to immediately collapse ... there is a lot of vested interest and it cannot be unwound in a hurry... a real physical gold price will emerge.

Admittedly, this is a small sample of one previous episode at the start of this year, but there seems to be quite a bit of continuity between the numbers mentioned in these two episodes.
The "revaluation" mentioned in Ep 155 also seems to be relatively modest % wise (hundreds of dollars) and over time (akin to a rally).

There appear to be significant (some would say tectonic) global changes afoot.
It would therefore surprising if forward outlooks remained constant.
In particular when dealing with "elastic" yardsticks like fiat currencies.

A more constructive way of posing the question might be to identify a number of previously suggested instances of overnight revaluations and their context eg which actors might cause it.
It's even possible that put together with more recently available information, that an answer may suggest itself.
 
Near the end of the 6 Sept 2024 Live From the Vault show, Andrew made a brief comment in passing. He said, ". . . until they revalue gold." He's made this comment before and I wish he would elaborate on the topic. Are we talking about revaluing currency or gold? Who can or would revalue gold? The Federal Reserve? The U.S. Treasury? The BIS? The LBMA? The BRICS? All of the above? If an agreement could be reached to suddenly revalue gold higher in most currencies, how would market trading proceed after a revaluation? Would a new revalued price become the "floor price" which gold traders could not go below? There are a ton of unanswered questions here that need to be explored and explained.
 
I think the BRICS plan is to set a floor to Gold for their oil/commodities trading. This can force true price discovery, outside of the paper shell game.

The US reaction may be to play along by using some accounting trick (GRA) but they would need to SHOW they actually hold the reserves they TELL. Imo they dont have it so $ may go into hyperinflation.

In short, I dont believe in a magical wand move..
 

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