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Revaluation narrative - Episode 175

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Amphius

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I wish Andy would be more consistent with his revaluation narrative. He is now saying that $3000 will be the staging post for a physically driven rally. This is not what he has previously been saying, for many years, when talking about an overnight or over-weekend CB revaluation triggered at $2500, and then moving it to $3000. He will have doubtless been under pressure from TAs to drop his revaluation narrative, because an overnight revaluation narrative is bad for their subscription businesses, and I note that Kinesis has negotiated marketing deals with several TAs, so I am certain this is the correct explanation. I myself will be sticking with Andy's previous 'conviction', because I think he still secretly has it, despite the (artificial) commercial pressure to change it.
 
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What? Things change and estimates with them. If he didn't change his estimates, he'd be accused of ignoring changing realities.

If you’ve taken positions based on others’ views, you accept the gains and the losses.
The stock market has been described as a mechanism by which money is transferred from the impatient to the patient.

If you’re invested in PMs and Kinesis just hold and wait for great news or even greater news, as those are the only two options.
 
AlM said:
What? Things change and estimates with them. If he didn't change his estimates, he'd be accused of ignoring changing realities.

If you’ve taken positions based on others’ views, you accept the gains and the losses.
The stock market has been described as a mechanism by which money is transferred from the impatient to the patient.

If you’re invested in PMs and Kinesis just hold and wait for great news or even greater news, as those are the only two options.
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If his change in narrative was honest, and not via a TA-negotiated gag-order with his employers, Andy would be open about his reasons for changing his narrative. As it is, he quietly slipped in the change, synchronised with a Kinesis commercial deal with TAs, who want to kill his revaluation narrative, because it is bad for attracting paper trader subscriptions. I think it stinks!
 
I've deleted the thread Revaluation Narrative in the Kinesis Chat section as it's a duplicate of this thread.
 
sixgun said:
Are you references your own Twitter post here or copying it to start the thread?
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I'm referring to his latest episode of LFTV, where he subtly drops his overnight/over-weekend gold revaluation narrative in favour of a market rally narrative, without a shred of explanation for the change. He nearly puts his foot in it by nearly saying the R word, but stopping himself at the last moment. It discredits his own longstanding narrative and his supposedly well-informed sources - but saying that, in reality he clearly still secretly believes his previous narrative. From about 2 minutes here:
 
bhunji said:
Andy has always jumped around on the price of metals measured in USD because nobody knows and it depends on many external factors. Some days it looks like theyll value 1 barrel of oil at 20g and some days it looks like its 1-4g. The not so fine print at the end of the show gives him leeway to speculate as the situation develops and no matter what he says, he doesnt set the price.

Do you have information that indicates that his previous price assessments are more accurate than his current ones? That would help support your argument that he's throwing away a hard earned multi decade reputation of integrity for a payout he doesnt look like he needs.

To me, he looks like a guy whos eating and sleeping right. It looks like hes getting his exercise on point. It looks like he's getting ready and is fully capable of presenting his lifes work to the world.
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I think he needs to explain the reasons why he has subtly dropped his overnight/over-weekend CB revaluation narrative for a market rally revaluation narrative. They are very different.
 
sixgun said:
You are referencing this where The Young Pretender has quoted someone and you have used the same quote as your own to start the thread.

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That's my later reply in my own thread, to show that I am taking this issue further than this forum. I feel very strongly about this, and I feel we are being taken for fools, by not being given the respect of an explanation for the glaring changes and inconsistencies.

It also irks me that every episode opens with the line that Andrews will be answering spade loads of questions from viewers, when we all know that questions underneath the videos or on this question board are few and far between.
 
I don't understand what all the fuss is about, but libellous, ad hominem attacks do not help Kinesis or its customers.



I've worked with some people in security whose paranoia kept them alive, but this??



Early G&T? OK. It's the weekend.
 
AlM said:
I don't understand what all the fuss is about, but libellous, ad hominem attacks do not help Kinesis or its customers.
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I am a huge client, so I have a strong interest in honesty and adult explanations from Kinesis.
 

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Ooohh that's a big one! Enough now. Contact Andrew directly and stop the bee that's buzzing round your skull.
 
The truth is that no-one knows; circumstances change and life's not perfect.

Howling at the moon like a rabid wolf makes a fine sound and passes the time of a cold winter’s night. I should know; it’s an old hobby, but neither that nor anything else will bring me any closer to *knowing* the price of gold or anything else a day or a year from now.
Some people spend untold hours over decades analysing many different factors to arrive at an estimate, which will inevitably change and be different from person to person. Otherwise one estimate only would suffice forever.
This doesn’t help Kinesis or the millions who will benefit from its services. If you’re more important than all those people, fine, good luck. I’m not.
 
AlM said:
The truth is that no-one knows; circumstances change and life's not perfect.

Howling at the moon like a rabid wolf makes a fine sound and passes the time of a cold winter’s night. I should know; it’s an old hobby, but neither that nor anything else will bring me any closer to *knowing* the price of gold or anything else a day or a year from now.
Some people spend untold hours over decades analysing many different factors to arrive at an estimate, which will inevitably change and be different from person to person. Otherwise one estimate only would suffice forever.
This doesn’t help Kinesis or the millions who will benefit from its services. If you’re more important than all those people, fine, good luck. I’m not.
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It has become clear that the only potential way to get answers from Andy is to kick up a public stink, especially on Twitter, since he never visits this board. I have more to lose than most by having invested with a company that has important inconsistencies in its stories.
 
And if Kinesis is now having to change tactics and resort to partnering with paper market TAs to try to drum up business, it does not sound like the company is making much headway with its white label public-private partnerships. That is what worries me most. And we are never given updates on any of this, which is all the more worrying.
 
Amphius said:
That's my later reply in my own thread, to show that I am taking this issue further than this forum. I feel very strongly about this, and I feel we are being taken for fools, by not being given the respect of an explanation for the glaring changes and inconsistencies.

It also irks me that every episode opens with the line that Andrews will be answering spade loads of questions from viewers, when we all know that questions underneath the videos or on this question board are few and far between.
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You are speculating here.
Are these 'paper market TA's' - i presume you mean technical analysts - Northstarbad Charts?
Is this who you mean? Any others you are talking about. Are we including say Dave Kranzler?
Who else do you include in the partnerships? Remembering this would imply a legal contract which includes 'gagging clauses'.
 
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